Comments on: Wind Power Subsidies Don’t Compare to Fossil Fuel & Nuclear Subsidies

In reply to Mark. An analysis of the Vogtle reactor costs by ...

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Please source your data.... 11-20 cents per kwh? Please.

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In reply to Cormagh. Let's see... Your math doesn't include: ...

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I don't get how you do your numbers. I just calculated the real cost of coal at 2 cents kWh based on 2,000 kWh per ton and current price of $54 per ton. Can you show your method and sources?

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In reply to Timbastable. Thank You. Very useful. And I comple...

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The EIA projections are per MW capital costs rather than capital plus operating costs - they also factor in the full cost of infrastructure for linking technologies like offshore wind to the grid...

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technologies compete with existing market alternatives—especially when the existing alternatives such as coalalready receive explicit and implicit public subsidies. We have similar green ene...

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In reply to Agskupien. What are you talking about?

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where are the new posts?

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oil gets big money from the government — as CleanTechnica readers may remember, $4 billion was awarded to big oil in the form of tax breaks in 2011 alone. Given that subsidies

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Luckily for me, I won’t have to do any of the compiling of facts, figures, and awesome graphs (like the one above), because Cleantechnica editor Zach Shahan’s already done all the heavy lift...

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In reply to Dennis. Dennis is wrong. Depreciation is capped a...

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In reply to Anonymous. That would be like trying to convince ...

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In reply to Anonymous. Third try: dsireusa org - click "View ...

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In reply to Anonymous. Third try: dsireusa org - click "View ...

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In reply to Ray Mimms. Here's some fresh stuff for you Ray, h...

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In reply to Ray Mimms. Comparing total subsidy amounts when w...

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In reply to Ray Mimms. Ray, i have to say, this one is quite ...

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In reply to Anonymous. We have 4 investments in solar, 6 inve...

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In reply to Anonymous. Would you please post a link backing t...

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Most of the "subsidies" you show for the oil industry is in the form of tax breaks.  These breaks allow oil companies a depletion allowance.  Although this is somewhat industry specific it is t...

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In reply to Anonymous. No, the DD200% depreciation is an addi...

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In reply to Anonymous. It is my understanding that wind farm ...

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Ray, 1st of all, I had not gotten to this comment yet because I was swamped with work (did not go to sleep until about 3:30am last night) and I don't approve comments full of falsehoods or misrep...

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In reply to Jeremyp01. Ha, I see you have no problem moderati...

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Copying over a few paragraphs about the history of energy subsidies from a piece on New Energy News..."Just like oil and coal. Those energy sources came along at times in history when they were v...

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environmental costs, which we DO pay for; the national security costs, which we DO pay for; etc.), wind energy is clearly much cheaper than these dirtier electricity options (I just wrote a long...

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Fantastic! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic

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In reply to Ray Mimms. Ray, taking full cost (or closer to fu...

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Besides the PTC/ITC/cash grant for wind, it also benefits from 5-year double-declining balance accelerated depreciation. Plus, renewable portfolio standards create an artificially driven market f...

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Fossil fuels are not subsidized. I'm on a White House mailing list, and recently one of themailings had something about oil subsidies in its title.This smacks of wanting to increase the governmen...

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This article is so horribly wrong it's borderline irresponsible, and I work in cleantech investing!  Comparing total subsidy amounts when we use SIGNIFICANTLY (20x) more fossil fuel generation t...

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In reply to Mr Ghwardron. Yeah, I am trying to learn more and...

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In reply to Mr Ghwardron. Thanks a ton! That is THE goal of t...

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And I must say, I had no idea that wind power was so cheap! If we can somehow manage to make wind reliable we'd be up to our ears in cheap, clean energy. I'm closely following the R&D regarding u...

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Awesome article! I'll slam people in the face with it when I discuss energy subsidies next time :) Also, I checked out your article about wind power! Holy ****, it's wonderful! Please keep adding...

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In reply to Hschille. hmm, interesting. i think Norway is a s...

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In reply to Anonymous. thanks. was afraid the key points woul...

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Great graphs. Fossil fuels/nuclear obviously produce more energy than wind, but the numbers at the bottom seem to indicate that their subsidies exceed wind even on a per kWh basis. And if we stop...

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Can't really see that big oil is subsidiesed here in Norway. They pay 78% company tax on all income from natural resources. This is giving the gouverment enourmus income. And stil some to the oil...

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